E21 cooling problems

Subject: 323i overheating
Sent: 1/4/04 19.39
From: Asier, asierotxar@yahoo.es
To: Jeroen, jeroen@bmwe21.net

Posted on the bmwe21.net forum by Jeroen: 1/4/04 21:38

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Hello, I'm from Spain and I want to ask something that can't find the solution. I've got a BMW 323i e21 of year 1981, and always we have a problem with the temperature of the engine, for example if you are driving some time, and you stop the car, and you have the car anytime at slow motion, the engine temperature go up, and stops at the next baar (or a litle more) of the optimal temperature. We have asked at BMW mechanicals and many mechanicals and all tell us that in this model is normal. One of the mechanicals try to install another type of ventilator, but was imposible, because the cylinder head is very near of the cool system. If somebody know how to end with this problem, please answer me. Asier

 

 

Hi Asier,

Well, there are known temperature weaknesses in the M20 engine your car has.

First there's the viscous fan coupling that can break down and thus not give enough airflow through the radiator. This is something that causes problems especially at low speeds, because of the lack of 'driving-air'. The older E21 six cylinder cars as well as the air conditioned models had an electrical fan in front of the radiator. It shouldn't be too hard finding one and with a little electrical knowledge you should be able to get it running, manually or automatically. But that should be considered a means to get extra cooling capacity, not the way to work around a problem. So, is the current fan clutch still ok?

But there are more weakpoints:

The water pump can be worn (I always advise people to change it every two timing belts -when in Rome...)

The cooling system could not be building up enough pressure due too a worn expansion tank fill cap.

Thermostats, even factory new ones, are a PITA too.. they can get stuck in any possible position, in your case that could be slightly opened thus not providing enough coolant flow.

A clogged radiator can ofcourse contribute to a flow problem, as well as a badly bleeded cooling system. Finally, the temperature sender can be bad. I've seen that before as well.

These are the most common weakpoints, at this moment I'll stay off possible more serious problems like a head gasket. But, as long as the gauge doesn't go too far past the three quarter mark, I wouldn't think about something more serious, and if the temp doesn't go too far your cilinder head isn't at risk.

Good luck, and keep us all posted!

Rgds,
Jeroen

 

 

>>>Some additional comments by Jeroen, Jan 5, 2004:

·         Temperature gauges in BMW’s, at least in every E21, should always be in the middle when the engine has reached normal operating temperature. Ofcourse, slight deviations are possible, but a temp gauge that never passes the ¼ mark, or a gauge that’s always on ¾ … it may be harmless but something’s not the way it should be.

·         The water pump problems occur mostly on six cylinder models.

Bleeding the coolant system: there are many theories, here’s what I usually do:

·         4 cil: check coolant level in the radiator, run the engine warm, when warm put on a few gloves and squeeze the two big rad hoses tight, repeat 2-3 times. Beware of the fan!

·         6 cil: jack up the front of the car before filling the system. Make sure the interior heating is on fully opened. Bleed screw (on top of the thermostat housing) must be closed. Run the engine warm and check the coolant level in the expansion tank. Add some coolant if necessary. As soon as the coolant starts to flow, put the cap on the expansion tank. When the engine is warm, bleed the system using the screw. After that, drive for a couple of minutes and bleed again, just to be sure.

 

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