The sump gaurd must be proper heavy (iron) that definetley needs to come off and modify the sump itself!!! oil capacity should suffice aslong it has constant oil flow in the right places i suppose theres a limit to how much someone spends on his/her car, i.e. dry sump kit, i wouldnt spend that unless i am preparing a track car for all the right reasons for racing if its something im holistically be doing every weekend.. sump mods i reckon is the cheapest option as its been done and noted problems then i reckon its the way to go!
Well the car handles very well post conversion but that's comparing it to the way it was pre conversion (mushy wandering and reluctant) - so I can't really make an honest comment on how my mad Max style sump guard affects handling - but I quite like the idea of having a bash plate under the sump even if it gets modified - just that extra confidence that enthusiastic off road driving won't necessarily end in expensive noises. But back to the point in hand - how much to cut off, how much oil remains in the new smaller sump and weld cooling wings on both sides or just one (if so which side) and could these also contain oil? Sorry - loadsa questions but I want to get it right first (well second) time!
well its not just cutting and re-welding the sump you also need to modify the oil pickup pipe (im having one fabricated from scratch). You weld a wing on one side to keep the capacity up as theres no room on the other side.. simple really lol.
Cooling fins dont contain oil? the inside of the sump is smooth. The fins increase the surface area to help with cooling. I dont think ill have a much of a problem with that as ill be running an oil cooler once i get my hands on the oil filter adapter. I dont think I have lost any capacity as the extra wing was made very large, but with a small opening on the inside of the pan so that oil doesnt slosh about.. as long as my pickup is fully submerged i shouldnt have a problem -
I dont think that Fritz' sump guard effort doesnt look like it does anything for cooling the sump? im sorry mate but tbh that is no solution - thats what we in IT call a "workaround" which is NOT a "fix".
Ill be using a sumpguard but mine wont be 2cm's off the floor LOL - mine will also be acting as a underbody brace.
So judging by what you said in your last post not just an m50 engine you had done? - what else have you had done to your car? you get all the suspension / brakes upgraded too etc?
Oil cooler adaptor to oil filter..interesting - that seems a must have item for me. But I'm still fixated on the dry sump idea. Armstrong race engineering in the US want $2700 for the full kit plus £120 for an oil heater for cold mornings to help flow on start up! It's an annoying amount of cash but it would at least guarantee max ground clearance. Tempted...
...and yes, Fritz upgraded every aspect of the car so why stop at a compromise now?
$2700!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what a waste of money!!!!!!
you could have a custom made sump for a third of that price which would bring it higher than the subframe without having to worry about all the other crap.
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there's no room for the associated gubbins for a dry sump in the engine bay. I think this will be interesting.
I had a custom made oil pickup n custom pan done for a tenth of that price!
Austin its obvious that phil is minted or is insane.
If you think of how much this conversion cost at fritz. Then times that by 2 at least as he went to fritz and they charge at least twice as much as something should cost! I can't even imagine how much customs will rob for sommething of that value! nevrrmind how much fritz will want to fit it!
phil I'm sorry if you find this post a bit off but genuinely I do respect what you have had done to your car but tbh fritz cut a corner with that sump guard which is pretty much simple bit of fabrication.
I'd take it back n tell them to do it properly free of charge. but then again I'm northern so too tight to spend money on a man when I can DIY.
I've considered running mine without modification with the coilovers raised up higher than normal, but really it needs to be sorted. Mine's getting done sometime this month, finally.
....wow - recent new member and already causing hot debate (mostly about my sanity it seems). Well I'm not minted but I may well be going insane and I'm ready to be set straight! Look - I like to drive the car hard - not abusively, but enthusiastically ok? As such I need the car to be flexible enough to run well off road as well as on. Rich already made it very clear that he thought it was best to bring it back for a modified sump and if that really givves as much ground clearance as it is possible to have (without running oil starvation risks under any circumstances) then I'll be happy. I havve respect for Fritz - they have been very quick to offer solutions to put matters right and the only delay is because I can't get the car back there until late September some time...when they finish the red baur!
Any sawn-off sump photos in situ available?
I know your a new member, I wasn't attacking you. I already know you have probably spent lots at fritz'. thats why I don't want you doin summat crazy like a dry sump. I will admit I looked at this myself but the cost and space limitation means it isn't practical.
as I am doing this conversion you can see pics of my modified sump in my build thread "316 beige" in the owners gallery. ill take a pic of my sump in situ now I have the engine in. I can't do that todaycos I'm out of town. but will show you.
trust us mate, this site is all you need for info.
i suppose theres a limit to how much someone spends on his/her car, i.e. dry sump kit, i wouldnt spend that unless i am preparing a track car for all the right reasons for racing if its something im holistically be doing every weekend.. sump mods i reckon is the cheapest option as its been done and noted problems then i reckon its the way to go!
