323ia in 3.0 CS Celon Gold

e21mad · Post by **e21mad** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:20 pm

dont worry I have two sepperate drive trains for this car. Im building one into a racer and the other is being restored so the car will be a bit like jecle and hide

e21-Mark · Post by **e21-Mark** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:09 pm

RetroBeemer wrote:
Dannbodge wrote:Whats wrong with the auto?
Nothing if your elderly, disabled or female.

Just hopw Claire dosen't read this!

Manual cars seem to be worth a bit more than autos too. If you use standard e21 stuff it'll still look as good when its done.

--ALPINA-- · Post by **--ALPINA--** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:38 pm

RetroBeemer wrote:
RetroBeemer wrote:
Dannbodge wrote:Whats wrong with the auto?
Nothing if your elderly, disabled or female.

Just hopw Claire dosen't read this!
Manual cars seem to be worth a bit more than autos too. If you use standard e21 stuff it'll still look as good when its done.

Retro, be clearer, what do you mean "If you use e21 stuff it'll still look as good when its done"...??

J

e21mad · Post by **e21mad** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:48 pm

yeah i dont get it either? Besides you guys seem to be dumping on the auto. Ok it doesnt have the same top speed but ill be glad to show you how she behaves when you hold her in gear till red line!

loentje · Post by **loentje** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:45 pm

Is that the original colour???

I like ceylon very much, I've got a 520/4 1973 and a BMW 2000 Touring in ceylon!!

greetings loentje

e21-Mark · Post by **e21-Mark** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:59 pm

--ALPINA-- wrote:
RetroBeemer wrote:
RetroBeemer wrote: Nothing if your elderly, disabled or female.

Just hopw Claire dosen't read this!
Manual cars seem to be worth a bit more than autos too. If you use standard e21 stuff it'll still look as good when its done.
Retro, be clearer, what do you mean "If you use e21 stuff it'll still look as good when its done"...??

J

I mean it won't spoil the look of his interior

murran · Post by **murran** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:25 am

e21mad wrote:yeah i dont get it either? Besides you guys seem to be dumping on the auto. Ok it doesnt have the same top speed but ill be glad to show you how she behaves when you hold her in gear till red line!

sorry but, news flash!........ cars should have three pedals, and drive thru cogs, not fluid..........

e21mad · Post by **e21mad** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:08 pm

you obviosly have no idea where the race car is going.

e21mad · Post by **e21mad** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:10 pm

murran wrote:
e21mad wrote:yeah i dont get it either? Besides you guys seem to be dumping on the auto. Ok it doesnt have the same top speed but ill be glad to show you how she behaves when you hold her in gear till red line!
sorry but, news flash!........ cars should have three pedals, and drive thru cogs, not fluid..........

You obviously have no idea where race cars are going.

--ALPINA-- · Post by **--ALPINA--** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:28 pm

murran wrote:
e21mad wrote:yeah i dont get it either? Besides you guys seem to be dumping on the auto. Ok it doesnt have the same top speed but ill be glad to show you how she behaves when you hold her in gear till red line!
sorry but, news flash!........ cars should have three pedals, and drive thru cogs, not fluid..........

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Nice one!!!!

murran · Post by **murran** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:15 pm

e21mad wrote:
murran wrote:
e21mad wrote:yeah i dont get it either? Besides you guys seem to be dumping on the auto. Ok it doesnt have the same top speed but ill be glad to show you how she behaves when you hold her in gear till red line!
sorry but, news flash!........ cars should have three pedals, and drive thru cogs, not fluid..........
You obviously have no idea where race cars are going.

yes i have a good idea. traction control, esp, sequential gearboxs, other ecu controlled hooohaaaa.
id rather drive a car. not a computer. give me a clutch pedal and a "H" change anyday. over some autospastic flappy paddle nonsence.
ask any true racing driver which theyd rather drive.......
they only need to have sequential semi auto change because its faster. ergo they wouldnt win a race without it as everyone else has it.

e21mad · Post by **e21mad** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:34 pm

they use auto because the gears in a manual eat up horse power through friction and no human being can shift as fast or as consitantly as an auto. they all are using it because millions of dollars and pounds have been sunk into resurching how to go fast!

e21-Mark · Post by **e21-Mark** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:41 pm

No human can change as quick as an auto?

You should have tried my 02

There was about an hour between each gearchange.

nige21 · Post by **nige21** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:56 pm

e21mad wrote:they use auto because the gears in a manual eat up horse power through friction and no human being can shift as fast or as consitantly as an auto. they all are using it because millions of dollars and pounds have been sunk into resurching how to go fast!

I really cant think of any race car (other than drag cars) that have a torque convertor auto? I really dont think ive ever seen one? If youre refering to sequential boxes, getrag, hollinger seq boxes still have a clutch, they are able to flat shift due to an electronic fuel cut on gearchange.

And any road car auto will sap more power than a manual, put your e21 auto on the rollers and you will find the manual will make a significantly higher rwhp figure.

torque convertor autos have their place in drag racing, and im happy you like yours, i just dont get your reasoning! Nice car btw

e21mad · Post by **e21mad** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:35 pm

Im just saying that people dismiss autos when they dont understand them. To make a standard auto shift better you change the tention of the shift springs and you can control it very precisely. I personaly like manuals because I like the control and yes I also am a purist that says front engine rear wheel yada yada but that doesnt mean that manuals are better. This is an old argument from the days of the first autos and things have changed quite alot! I have half a mind to build my engine and leave the auto in it just to prove the point. I am speeking from training and experience by the way, I have been an ase certified mech for 15 years and my family has been building race cars since i was born and that is over 30 years. In fact you just might be seeing us in nascar next year.