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As suggested by Tor, what about a topic to discuss matters of originality? There are multiple ways of treating your beloved E21, and one of them is keeping it in original nick. So if you have questions about original looks or options or want to discuss originality issues, go ahead in this topic. And of course, if you have a very, very original E21, put it up here or place a link to your car in the Owners Gallery. But beware of the verdict of the Original Polizei!

Anyone have a picture of an E21 in Police livery by the way? :wink:

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We all have different ideas how and why we all got into the BMW world. Most of us sucked into it because of sporty look and sporty handling. Some like to make "street machines" and enhance the power and handling that BMW put into their cars, while others like to keep it as much as possible up to production standards. I belong to the latter. A car meet with only 100% original cars could soon be dull, at the same time if it was all hotrods it would be equally bad. A mix is good, and i have all respect for those who wants more "fun".

I was hoping that with this thread, the people with original "unscrewed" cars or people that has brought theirs up to production standard could compare and guide us trying to make it as close to 100% as possible.

It would be nice if all "Originals" could check in under this thread.

I have a 1979 323i Baur Cab. Baur # 683. WBA3071000 651 8848, build january -79. Color is Schwarz (086)

Unfortunately mine will most likely never be original as it a Grey-zone car from USA. Build with euro spec, it at some time had US instruments installed, 5 speed transmission installed and bucket seats. (bucketseats could be original, i don´t know)

I will most likely be asking you guys out there for advise in the time to come as my restoration goes from Bodywork and paint to interior and details.
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I will check this topic out.

The dutch people know that i am an originalfreak and i will try to keep my E21 320/6 as original as possible.

There are only two things at the moment which are not original at the car.
* The Weber conversion ( this is temporarly untill i have the Solex 4A1 restored)
* The aftermarket airco which was planted in the car by the former Italien owner.

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http://www.bmwe21.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=14326 (Dutch)

http://www.bmwe21.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=14596 (English)
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.Some say he eats nuts and bolts for breakfast, all we know is he is called the carburetorman.

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My goodness what a find. Looks like brand new. With only 18K on the clock you are probably still on tyres that came from the factory. A good place to peak for details. Was there a facelift somewhere around 1980? Thanks for posting.
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I might come over to Stavanger/ Haugesund with my car sometime this summer. Then you can see how it was back in 1981, or if you need some photos of some parts you can contact me.
Just some Alpina parts. Rest is 100% original :bmw :driving
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Lars his car is indeed in perfect original state also. Apart from the alpina-parts he said.

About mine, The original tyres were on the car when i bought it but that was unsafe to drive. I must say that the roof/bonnet and hood had a respray because of damage to the topcoat because of the sun in Italy.

A facelift for the E21 was indeed in 1979/1980. The car has 19500 km on it now and this year we will reach the 21000 km i think. Just understand that she is not perfect because low milage is not always good. Al the rubber parts and hoses are worn and had to be switched.
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.Some say he eats nuts and bolts for breakfast, all we know is he is called the carburetorman.

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Was there ever a facelift on the E21? Looking through photos i see some differences between what i have on my -79 and late models.
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I can't stay behind now can I? My approach is that I consider myself an originality freak :crazy but with clear limitations. Cars are there for driving, BMW's are sporty cars by nature and I like a sporty driving style as well. Which means that I demand a little bit more that a bone stock standard car... that's not about looks but about handling. That's why my cars all are upgraded when it comes to driveline and suspension. Not to extremes though, as I always try to find solutions that do not harm the initial design too much. So my cars are lowered, but not too much. My E21 went to bigger alloys, but no further than the 15" Alpina's which are a contemporary upgrade. And modifications I do, can always be undone to be able to get back to 100% original.

In practice, my 323i Baur. Original as can be when I bought her in Switzerland in 2009. Stock interior, standard suspension, BBS deep front spoiler.

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special detail: original and unused 1981 spare wheel in the trunk

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Nowadays: original sports seats fitted

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Alpina B6 suspension so it doesn't sit too low at the front, 15" Alpina alloys, BBS front spoiler deleted

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More than enough for now, find more in the car's own topic here: http://www.bmwe21.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=7562
Regards/groeten, Jeroen
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Sorry Peter V.
I didn´t see your reply before posting my question. Your reply was trapped in between two sessions of photos, that took all the attention :) What was the main features in the facelift? I see that there is digital clock in later models, and fabric in door-covers. You have the whole difference in spec in pre- and after facelift? Out of curiosity what brand (factory) was the tyre you took off the car? Italien spec, was with one side-mirror only?

Jeroen:
Absolutely wunderschön. Now I´m really homesick. I work abroad so i don´t get to spend as much time with my toys as i want to. Summer is around the corner though.

Lars:
I don´t even make it to the semi-final towards you with a super clean sedan and an Alpina (think you need a Baur though to complete your E21 collection)
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Thanks for the compliments. As for detailed differences between pre-facelift and facelift, you can also have a little read here: http://www.bmwe21.net/?page_id=112
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Jeroen added the link for the facelift details.

* The cloth inside the doorcards was for the 6-cylinder e21 cars.
* The doormirror missing is not so special. We have a 316 with no right doormirror also.
I believe that it was an option to have the extra doormirror.

That's brings me to our other E21 which is really stock and original also. It is a 316 original Belgian car. This one has 85000 km on the speedo and does not had a radio/antenna or speakers ever. The only adjustment for this are the loweringsprings and the 15 inch BBS wheels.

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Some where on the forum the original optionlist for the E21 is posted.
Gr Peter V.

.Some say he eats nuts and bolts for breakfast, all we know is he is called the carburetorman.

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Thanks guys.

Guess i have to go home and look at the doors for old holes for mirrors. I checked at www.baur-tc1.de and found other 323i from around same period of time had chrome mirrors.

My early -79 still have black vinyl in the door-covers though, no fabric?
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I believe that 1979/1980 was the time that BMW made all kinds of combinations. So you could find E21 cars with the type 1 dashboard but with the type 2 mirrors or doorcards or a type 1 frontspoiler and type 2 backside etc etc. It was just to empty the warehouse of al the type 1 parts.
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Even though i have had 3 E21 earlier in life, i was so young that i paid little interest to the details of the car. Main thing was that it looked cool, was fast and it pulled chicks :loll Car still looks cool, but now i drive like an old man, and I have a woman. So now i want to have some quality time in my garage, with my radio, coffeemaker and a Rigid calendar and the Baur to pat on. :mrgreen:
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Nice topic. I like original cars, and slightly modified cars. A totally original E21 on 13" wheels with balloon tires is just so cute. I don't like too much spoilers on a car, no ridiculous lowering or gigantic wheels. Some subtle lowering and a nice set of wheels do a lot for an E21.

My 320i is (pretty much?) in original condition. It is an American model, imported from California. I have a full history with the car. It has an original aircon unit, beige cloth interior, period radio and 5 speed transmission. And of course the original bumpers. Some of the US emission components are missing, and my front suspension is unoriginal at the moment. The chrome door handles are from an E12, so unoriginal. As front suspension I have Koni's + H&R springs, and want to change to Bilsteins and Eibachs in the near future. The rear suspension is standard as far as i know. The 15" BBS Mahle wheels are an original option for E21's too. Condition wise there is rust that needs attention. The engine is somewhat lazy but still running strong.
I absolutely love driving my car, and looking at it 8)

Here are some older pictures, the car wasn't lowered yet here:

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And with the lowering, and also BBS centre caps:

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More pictures and info can be found here http://bmwe21.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12432
1979 320i Antrazitgrau US spec
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